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Post by ogre on Feb 13, 2016 21:19:41 GMT
Wouldn't be much of a God if He allows His creation to dictate to Him. Or maybe his creation is merely of a even more divine light when it comes to wisdom and pointed out his errors. there was another who would agree with that statement. He was the highest of the angels. Then Lucifer decided that he was equal to God. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:24:02 GMT
Not everyone gets the opportunity to, some people raised otherwise. If God would send kind folks to hell, he's a real sinner. You didn't seem to listen to me. quite the contrary Issi. In your estimation, God is a sinner for allowing people to choose not to spend eternity with Him. I was actually wondering if you really are an occultist, but you do indeed have the arrogance that goes with it. So perhaps... How am I arrogant? Yes, and the punishment for not listening to Him is hell. That is not real choice... Or freedom. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:24:29 GMT
Or maybe his creation is merely of a even more divine light when it comes to wisdom and pointed out his errors. there was another who would agree with that statement. He was the highest of the angels. Then Lucifer decided that he was equal to God. Hmm? |
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Post by ogre on Feb 13, 2016 21:30:17 GMT
quite the contrary Issi. In your estimation, God is a sinner for allowing people to choose not to spend eternity with Him. I was actually wondering if you really are an occultist, but you do indeed have the arrogance that goes with it. So perhaps... How am I arrogant? Yes, and the punishment for not listening to Him is hell. That is not real choice... Or freedom. I see that you are having trouble with the concept of freedom. You are always free to choose your actions. The consequences of those actions, not so much. If you could not choose, then you would simply be an automaton. Instead, our Lord grants us free-will. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:31:36 GMT
How am I arrogant? Yes, and the punishment for not listening to Him is hell. That is not real choice... Or freedom. I see that you are having trouble with the concept of freedom. You are always free to choose your actions. The consequences of those actions, not so much. If you could not choose, then you would simply be an automaton. Instead, our Lord grants us free-will. *sigh* You are correct, and therefor any choice other then the choice God wants us to make has punishment of eternal damnation. That's horrid. God can go to hell where he belongs |
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Post by mamadove on Feb 13, 2016 21:34:08 GMT
Loving your signature line, btw, Issi.
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Post by ogre on Feb 13, 2016 21:34:12 GMT
there was another who would agree with that statement. He was the highest of the angels. Then Lucifer decided that he was equal to God. Hmm? [br How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. |
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Post by beta on Feb 13, 2016 21:34:25 GMT
That's an adorable thought, but the Holy one of Heaven who created you, is right where he belongs: On the throne.
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Post by mamadove on Feb 13, 2016 21:34:50 GMT
Back to your response, Jesus already went to Hell to retrieve the keys of death and sin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:39:04 GMT
I'm... Sorry if I seem stubborn or arrogant, just no I am not upset with any if you, and know you all mean well  I guess, I just... I don't know, is it not greedy God keeps all power for himself? Also it seems a certain troll just Edited my duckkcud gif XD |
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Post by mamadove on Feb 13, 2016 21:43:39 GMT
I'm... Sorry if I seem stubborn or arrogant, just no I am not upset with any if you, and know you all mean well I guess, I just... I don't know, is it not greedy God keeps all power for himself? Also it seems a certain troll just Edited my duckkcud gif XD Why would the Creator of the Universe who knows the End from the Beginning hand over power to imperfect creatures who will mess everything up? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:45:23 GMT
I'm... Sorry if I seem stubborn or arrogant, just no I am not upset with any if you, and know you all mean well I guess, I just... I don't know, is it not greedy God keeps all power for himself? Also it seems a certain troll just Edited my duckkcud gif XD Why would the Creator of the Universe who knows the End from the Beginning hand over power to imperfect creatures who will mess everything up? Because God isn't perfect, no one is. He made imperfect creations, and therefor is not perfect. |
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Post by beta on Feb 13, 2016 21:47:18 GMT
Mind if I cut in?
If you actually read Genesis 1, His creation was actually perfect. Lucifer convinced Eve, and Adam, to sin. Thus the fall to imperfection by eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
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Post by mamadove on Feb 13, 2016 21:47:17 GMT
Why would the Creator of the Universe who knows the End from the Beginning hand over power to imperfect creatures who will mess everything up? Because God isn't perfect, no one is. He made imperfect creations, and therefor is not perfect. Actually God is perfect, in fact, that is the standard. When angels and man were created they too were perfect, and CHOSE imperfection. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:48:09 GMT
Mind if I cut in? If you actually read Genesis 1, His creation was actually perfect. Lucifer convinced Eve, and Adam, to sin. Thus the fall to imperfection by eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And he couldn't purify them... Also, imperfection is perfection. |
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